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Daredevil discussion
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DFJ:
Wow. A superhero movie detailing the hero's orgin for a whole 15 minutes to give background and needed characterization to the audience. What a waste of time. Next thing you know they'll be revealing their "secret identities."

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It's a waste of time when it takes 20 percent of the film, and the remaining 80 percent has ANOTHER origin story, a romance, characterization, multiple long form fights, and a central storyline to tie this all together to get out of the way.

Origin is fine. An origin wherein the kid is doing slo-motion overhead kicks with no martial arts training whatsoever in a fight scene with OTHER KIDS(!) is pointless and a waste of time.

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The "Daredevil vision" was done well and never felt overused. It was pretty fascinating at times. When the lead character dodes bullets, falls in love, leaps off of buildings AND happens to be blind, I think it helps to show the audience how he accomplishes this.

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Aside from explaining the rain effect, all of that was handled during the first fight scene in which they use this perspective. Everything after that is extraneous and unnecessary.

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Once again, dissecting every moment of ANY film looking for every flaw is easy. Certain folks seem intent on crucifying this and have since the first actor was cast. I'm no optimist, but "Daredevil" was a great film that I enjoyed the hell out of watching and I'll watch again.

My favorite defense: I had a grudge going in and looked to dissect every flaw.

Allow me to present me equally pre-produced response:

Yes, you can pick any movie apart. What makes anyone pick and choose those films they wish to pick apart and those they don't is how much they are immersed into the world of the film wherein even the most fantastic leaps in logic or plot holes would at least seem native to that world.

Nick picked apart Femme Fatale using the very same methodology I am with Daredevil. He wasn't enraptured by the film or drawn into its world. The cheesiness and plot holes took him right out of the film and kept him out.

Same thing here. Bad decisions. Cheese. Leaps in logic. Bad movie.

Watch it all you like. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I didn't.
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