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Daredevil discussion
I liked it more than I thought I would. A lot more.

However, it's riddled with flaws. My biggest beef is that most of the things that are wrong with the movie could so easily have been made right with no effort at all. It'd be easier if it was another Batman & Robin, but instead - on reflection - it's a frustrating "close, but no cigar".

I'd give it 7/10, as I don't think it'll hold up as well as X-Men or Spidey over the years, and when it deviates from the comic, it does so for no reason. It's a good fun action movie, it's always cool to see Marvel characters on the big screen, but there are some big, big flaws that make it impossible to fully embrace.

THE GOOD

I liked Affleck as the lead. I've never understood the hate he gets (although I suspect it's partly due to the way he reminds geeks of the jock who beat them up at school) and he acquits himself well in this movie - especially as Matt Murdock.

Colin Farrell was a blast. A completely one-dimensional role made fun by his scenery-chewing. Would have been nice to give him lines numbering more than ten though.

Kingpin was cool, but hardly in it. We'll come back to this.

Nice references to the Daredevil artists littered through the movie.

Favreau is a star. We needed to see more of him and Matt, maybe being lawyers rather than having endless cups of coffee? Just a thought.

They successfully captured the melodramatic over-the-top Greek/Catholic tragedy that makes the comic so popular with the more intense comic fans. Despite the film's flaws, it was pretty cool to see Bullseye taking Elektra down on screen.

The Daredevil costume wasn't as off-putting as I'd thought, although the mask still looked...odd from certain angles.

The Matt/Elektra romance was horribly rushed, but Affleck and Garner did a pretty good job with the little they had to work with. The chemistry was there, we just didn't see enough of it.

THE BAD

Daredevil doesn't leave small-time rapists on the subway tracks to be sliced in half. Utterly fucking wrong, and I have no idea why that scene is in there. In the comics, Daredevil is the polar opposite of The Punisher. They make a big deal out of it. He's a lawyer, it's about justice, not revenge. This scene is made even more nonsensical by what Daredevil does at the end of the movie. He'll let a nobody rapist die a grisly death, but he won't kill the Kingpin, the man responsible for his fathers death and all the crime in New York? Yeah, right.

The burning DD symbol on the floor was pretty fucking stupid and unexplained as well. Unless they want Alex Proyas to sue them...

Underused Characters. Bullseye, Kingpin, Elektra and Ben Urich all needed at least one extra scene each to set them up. We get no insight into how powerful the Kingpin is, we just know he runs New York because someone tells us. Bullseye has some great scenes, but no depth. Ben Urich might as well have been called by his Native American name, "Moves Along Story". And Elektra...well, she's a rich kid who knows martial arts and becomes a leather-clad assassin overnight.

For a guy with a secret identity, Murdock seems pretty fucking glib about showing off his powers. Dunking basketballs, smelling women before they enter the room, having elaborate kung-fu fights with women he's just met in plain view of the world? Maybe one or two little tricks, but he does it all the fucking time, in front of the people he should be hiding it from the most. After years of watching him defy the laws of blindness, you'd think Foggy would twig something was amiss. Why doesn't he just wear a t-shirt that says "I may be blind, but I have superpowers".

The reliance on songs rather than score. Just utter badness, turning pivotal scenes into the worst kind of Baywatch montage. Revell's score was good stuff, but it was pushed to the side for the most important scenes in favor of selling soundtrack CDs. Yuck.

The fight scenes are almost incomprehensible at times, and the wire-fu looks weird and out of place. Considering the gritty Frank Miller realism they were aiming for, the fight scenes seem to have been spliced in from a different movie. Almost as if they couldn't decide what sort of superhero movie to make. One minute we're seeing the impact on Murdocks private life, his smashed body and emotional turmoil, the next he's leaping 100 feet across streets and performing impossible acrobatic fight moves. They should've kept the combat dirty and nasty - like Riggs vs Joshua at the end of Lethal Weapon. Martial arts, but in a brutal, realistic way - not outlandish wire-antics.

The movie cheats. Bullseye never misses - unless Daredevil is right in front of him, doing backflips. Then he can't hit a 6'4" man three feet away with an entire window of broken glass. Daredevil is on the verge of death after being stabbed through the chest with a sai, but not only manages to take down Bullseye but also beats the Kingpin by kicking him in the fucking knee? Sorry, no. The Kingpin does not whimper on all fours and go quietly. Like the death of the rapist, it just screams "WRONG!"

If they were staying true to the characters and world the movie creates, Daredevil would be spread out all over Fisk's office. They wrote themselves into a corner, and cheated their way out. You expect some artistic license in a comic movie, but this was taking the piss.

And finally, like most superhero movies, the pacing turns to shit towards the end. Once Elektra's father is killed, the movie slips into fast-forward and conveniently shunts the characters into the right place at the right time. Why did Daredevil go to that rooftop? How did Elektra know he'd be there? And how convenient is it that it's across the street from his church? Lazy storytelling. Ditto for the sudden jump to Fisk's office, the dismissal of all the guards ("raised in the Bronx", my arse) just so they can hurry up and get to the fights.

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All in all, I thoroughly enjoyed myself during the movie - and was surprised at how little of it was jarringly wrong. But over pizza afterwards, it unravelled badly and the plotholes and lazy narrative tricks became glaring. This is a movie where you can smell the studio's hands all over it. Somewhere in there, Mark Steven Johnson created what could be a really great Daredevil movie. What I saw today was the idiots MTV edit of that movie. Hopefully the DVD will solve some of the problems, but I won't be seeing it again at the theater.

As I was leaving, I listened to the chatter around me. "Not bad" was a recurring phrase.

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