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Daredevil discussion
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walter-konkrete:
As per DD's killing people, its a big departure from the comics, but its clearly stuck in the movie to give matt murdock a character arc.

Yeah, it gave him character, but it wasn't Daredevil's character. One of the things that stuck out from the comic reading I did was that Daredevil was a foil for Elektra; both driven by vengence/justice, both left with no legal recourse, but where Elektra takes vengence all the way and actually kills, Daredevil still "plays by the rules," and won't kill. That was lost here.

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Of course, the way Johnson contextualizes daredevil is, in concept, very interesting. The line "I hope you find justice before it finds you" is great.
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Just what could be done with that rapist? he was already tried and found innocent? Would it have been better if he copped a forced confession thanks to the beating he was given like in Batman comics? That would be ridiculous. I like the way MSJ gves daredevil a journey to his true heroism and a realization that a superior ability to "see" guilt still does not give him the wisdom to see all the consequnecs of his own lethal judgement.

The court case was a civil trial; Murdock is a private attorney, not a DA. There still could have been a confession/trial.

Anyway, I'm quibbling. What I would have liked to see more was a "Beat the hell out of him, realize he's going to die, try to save him, fail, show regret." That would have been compunded when the Daredevil encounters the child who is crying because DD is beating up his (?) father. Then, cut to Kingpin, DD is ready to strike, then realises that he doesn't have it in him. Nice logical progression. As shown in the movie, DD went from "Haha, you're dead, I'm going to make a pun and write my name in fire" to "Well, you killed my father, my girl, and probably a good chunk of Hell's Kitchen at one point or another, but that's ok."

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the elektra/bullseye story line and elektra's death was clearly intended to highlight this. her death was supposed to be the event that opened matt's eyes to the consequneces of his blood for blood style of justice. In this truncated film, this is clearly lost and muddled.

I would have thought that would be more likely to push daredevil to murder than draw him away form it. If he has it in him to kill a man that raped a woman he has no emotional connection to, how much more would he be willing to kill the men who murdered his lover and his father?

snip to end, as I basically agree with the rest of your post.
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